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Yes it’s John Stewart, yes it’s the Daily Show and yes he’s a liberal…but could Fox News be any more transparently partisan?

I long for the days without pundits…oh please please come back.

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  1. “I long for the days without pundits…oh please please come back.”

    I’m 42 years old, and I can’t remember those days.

  2. I’m 50 and I do remember days when Meet the Press was about the only “pundit” show….and it was dry as toast, but it seems through the fog of years nothing like what we see nowadays.

    I haven’t watched Fox News for ages..it’s just too embarrassing to watch them sell their souls..so perkily (is that a word?).

    Lately I have been watching CNN International..no missing white girls, no Nancy Grace, no inane blather about whatever, at least not as much. The BBC, and CBC..it hekps to get perspective from outside at times.

    Watching Fox is not getting news, it’s joining the cheerleading squad.

  3. I’d rather get news and analysis from a transparently partisan network than a deceptively partisan one, such as MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, ect…

    That explains a lot.

  4. And yet FOX News routinely beats the shit out of the other cable news channels in ratings. Why do you think that is? (I have my own theory regarding a FOX NEWS/Walmart cabal – lets face it, the same people who shop at Walmart, also watch FOX News.) When it comes down to it, these freaks view the “news” as a mere arm of their vacuous consumer-driven mentality. The glossier, sexier, more sensational, exc. the better. Give them mere facts and ask them to analyze and the ADHD overrides and they go direct to the porn channel.

  5. From Wikipedia: In the United States, Fox News Channel is the #1 news channel in terms of long-term viewers (Nielsen points ratings), but is outnumbered by CNN in the number of unique viewers (cumulative ratings). [2]

  6. That explains a lot.

    =P. heh. Actually I don’t get my news from TV, I get it from blogs like this one! My point is that as much as I hate John Gibson and the cheesy, over-the-top red white and bluiness of Fox (which Stephen Colbert satirizes brilliantly), I am more annoyed by the pomposity of the other networks’ left-leaning bias trying to be passed off as objective news-telling. At least Fox is up front about where they stand.

  7. “At least Fox is up front about where they stand.”

    So if someone tells me upfront they’re going to lie to me I’m suppossed to be happy to buy their bullshit?

    The value of FOX is demonstrated by my conservative friends – we occassionaly get into heated “current events” debates but spend most of the time catching them up to speed because they are so ill or mis-informed on just about every major topic.

    BTW, I’m not defending the other networks which I find just as whacked in much the same way – real news and investigative journalism (really a dead genre nowdays) would have long ago exposed the crap this administration has pulled (and continues to pull). The Bush WH has survived this long on the complacency and cooperation of all the news media outlets.

  8. When it comes down to it, these freaks view the “news� as a mere arm of their vacuous consumer-driven mentality. The glossier, sexier, more sensational, exc. the better.

    Haha, I found a clip of Cal Thomas saying this on one of their many pundit shows just today, but I can’t find it. It’s on YouTube somewhere…priceless. They’re lampooning themselves now…it’s so very sad.

    And the point Jimmy, is that Fox News ISN’T upfront about where they stand, otherwise their tagline wouldn’t be “We Report. You Decide.” They are a conservative mish-mash wrapped up in extremely clever marketing. Of course they’re very transparent, but I bet you’d find many of their viewers who think they’re indeed “fair and balanced.”

  9. I long for the days without pundits…oh please please come back.

    Wishing away blogs and wanting to go back to times where all access to media was in tight control, rank-and-file need not apply?

    I’m 42 … I’m 50

    I’m 45, and I remember, too. Although I’d say that while what’s been said is true, it’s true only so far as how we’re putting it oges.

    When it comes down to it, these freaks view the “news� as a mere arm of their vacuous consumer-driven mentality. The glossier, sexier, more sensational, exc. the better. Give them mere facts and ask them to analyze and the ADHD overrides and they go direct to the porn channel.

    I’d sure like to make sure to whom you’re referring as “freaks,” very specifically. Just Fox? (Of which I’m not a fan … but I think those words could be applied rather more broadly.) Viewers?

    Paint’s a-splashin’ everywhere … .

    The value of FOX is demonstrated by my conservative friends – we occassionaly get into heated “current eventsâ€Â? debates but spend most of the time catching them up to speed because they are so ill or mis-informed on just about every major topic.

    Well, I’m assuming you don’t actually feel threatened by or worry about their points-of-view. I mean, how effectual can they be if they’re so stupid not to realize how very condescending your attitude is toward them yet still be “your friends,” conservative or otherwise?

    For the record, there is only one show on Fox that I watch regularly (I didn’t say “daily,” on purpose) for the merits of itself. I do dip into others on the channel to keep track, as I do others on the other cable news channels, as well. The difference is that there are more shows on the others that I watch regularly for the merits of themselves.

    In short: I’m no Fox “true” believer.

    But still … .

  10. By extension then, you’re saying that the millions of people who are regular viewers must be a joke too. Or maybe just stupid, or insane evangelical Christians, or evil republicans.

    I have a different theory. All those folks just have a different world view. For me, I enjoy watching Fox because it’s fun. It seems the other news networks have anchors with a lot less personality. They remind me of my parents lecturing me when I was a kid – talking down to me as the all-knowing wizards. Brit is my favorite Fox anchor. I heard that CBS tried to get him and I understand why.

    I also enjoy War Stories with Oliver North. Great history in those shows. Had one on last Sunday about the treatment of allied POW’s. What they went through makes Guat. look like living at the the Ritz.

    No question that Fox is pro-American. They often present from a point of view that America not perfect but is a lot more good than bad (which I feel is the obvious truth). Is there something wrong with that? I don’t think so. Actually I think it’s very healthy to not beat yourself up constantly over all your faults while mostly ignoring all the good stuff. It turns you into a depressed pervert.

    Oh my God – I read over my comment and I think I’ve been brainwashed by Fox News! Next thing you know I’ll be shopping at WalMart!

  11. Now, at least, cable news channels’ marketing plans (and paradigms) are all based on appealing to specific niches, which, in turn, largely prefer outlets that appeal to specific niches (which, in turn … .). From that standpoint, all of the channels are cynical and pandering. That’s not a surprising thing. Right?

    All of them touch different parts of the elephant. If you want to come closer to seeing the whole elephant, the path forward seems fairly obvious.

    (That goes for other media, too, and cross-media, at least to my way of thinking.)

    Only sayin’.

  12. And to answer your actual question, Justin:

    Yes. Goodness, yes.

    To which unfortunate, depressing reality, I say (as I also do, with regard to the other channels and other media):

    Sigh.

  13. Haha, I found a clip of Cal Thomas saying this on one of their many pundit shows just today, but I can’t find it. It’s on YouTube somewhere…priceless. They’re lampooning themselves now…it’s so very sad.

    Oh, don’t be fooled. They know what they are, they know what their doing and they do it better than any other game in town. Fox News has the best pundits in term of money — they know what sells. And they are selling America, which sells itself, during a time of War against foreign Muslims. Please, Fox is pimp’in the Red, White & Blue and why shouldn’t they. Despite their slogans, after 9-11, I want news dressed up like John Wayne about to beat someone’s ass. In terms of the telephone numbers, I tend to agree with the pundits.

    I’d sure like to make sure to whom you’re referring as “freaks,� very specifically. Just Fox? (Of which I’m not a fan … but I think those words could be applied rather more broadly.) Viewers?

    No, I was actually isolating a particular demographic that I believe Fox monopolizes: the elderly, the white, the rural, the midwest, the Republican, the Christian Right and the Walmart shoppers. The “Freaks” part of that only applied to the Walmart shoppers and, in the case of overlapping catagories, then the “freakness” only applies to the relative amount of time & money spent at Walmart.

  14. Well, I shop at Wal-Mart all the time, but I’m not freakish enough to regularly watch FOX (or any other) News.

    So there!

  15. BOA – please stop. Self-abuse in the form of habitual Walmart shopping will only make you go blind. One day, you’ll turn around with a turkey-frier in your arms and say, “I am a shell of the man I once was. Who am I?”

  16. Charming, DosPeros.

    I can see there’s no point in engaging with you on an analytical basis as to the appeal of Fox news and some of the interesting, and even odd, in my view, aspects of its popularity.

    I don’t spend much time at Walmart (I spend MUCH more time, for example, poking around actual TV ratings and general media demographic statistics); in fact, as little time as possible.

    When I do go there, in this Midwestern state, the shoppers there, while certainly containing the elderly, seem more significantly to be younger people with families (especially women), and comprising a significantly larger proportion of minorities than one might see in the general population here (well, except in my section of town, which is quite mixed indeed). If one can judge, and to the degree which one can judge, by appearances across race and apparent ethnicity, the shoppers also seem more drawn from those in lower, rather than higher–though encompassing the middle–income scales. (Of course, there’s no way to pin down religion or TV viewing habits just by looking, so I’ll leave those aside.)

    So, exactly who are you calling “freaks”? Would you think that’s OK in other contexts? What would/do you think when–oh, for example–Fox news “personalities” make broad statements without thinking who they’re sweeping up within their stereotypes?

    However very–tolerant, and open, and all of those things, you are.

  17. What would/do you think when–oh, for example–Fox news “personalities� make broad statements without thinking who they’re sweeping up within their stereotypes?

    You’ll have to get more specific. Which stereotypes are most vexing to you? I think there is more to Fox than blind allegiance to Bush or even a “conservative” agenda (I defy anyway to show me how Bush has been conservative – with the possible exception of his Supreme Court nominations). Fox is rooted in populism.

    Pay no attention to my two-dog battle against Walmart — I had a horrific experience as a child in the Sporting Goods section involving the town bully and a Barbie Doll fishing pole. Our scars make us human.

  18. That’s very funny. As a brit enduring the current government’s change of leadership, it makes me smile to know that we are not the only ones being fed great crap piles of spin.

    Maybe Tony and GW can retire to a nice carribean island together? One where they can’t kill, level, or blow up anything?

  19. With the exception of Wendel Goler (sp?) (the “black guy” ((and probably not black-enough for the purists)) you can replay it again to see what he said about the numbers and not the content of the calls), all of the rest of the clips were commentary, and not “hard news.”

    E.D. Hill, the morning brainless coffee-table Today Show wannabe morning slot token femme.

    Juliet something or other, really really really really nice to look at, but the afternoon equivalent of ED Hill.

    The guy talking to Bob Barr, the male counterpart to one of the above.

    Neil Cavuto, not really a hard news guy either (more market and finance oriented, but not exclusively so), and having seen his show beforeI would suspect the clip is from his closing commentary.

    Basically, Stewart’s clip is a poorly-done hack-job that just happens to be mostly true, hehe.

    Don’t get me wrong, for the most part I can’t stand the channel (the ability to recognize the names of the most inconsequential folks is a freak ability I have, drives my wife nuts). But near everything shown was either soft-news, or a carefully-selected clip of a “hard-news” anchor posing as devil’s advocate (even if doing so poorly…FoxNews’ B-team of hard-newsers is near unwatchable).

    There are a few noteworthy shows, like somebody mentioned, War Stories (though I never think to watch it, whenever I do I’m always engrossed).

    I also happen to like Fox News Watch, a Saturday week-in-review of the press, which is kind of a neat, original show. Unfortunately, it can (and often does) resort to left-and-right talking over each other and nobody getting their point across. I never think to watch that one either.

    I would put Brit Hume’s Special Report up against any of the networks or cable news channels, anytime. As far as I’m concerned, FoxNews’ ONLY hard news, and always capped off with a commentary panel of 3 including either Juan Williams or Mara Liasson of NPR.

    Brit is really the only saving grace of the channel, though. I didn’t realize that CBS tried to land him, they really missed out, IMO.

  20. White plastic blond bimbos and lots of loud shouting on Fox News why is that?

    Are they trying really hard to get there opinions across to the viewer? or do they think we are going deaf?

    Its not news TV its entertainment TV, thats why its so highly rated.
    Nothing intelligent or balanced about it at all, just very amusing TV to watch.

    Its just a bunch of drones shouting over each other, and if any guest on the show even tries to disagree or give a different point they get shouted over or a times up cut off suddenly occurs.

    I only watch it because its in HD and looks really p e r t y with blond babes and loud shouting voices its great amusing entertainment, very funny.

    Anyone remember the movie Robocop.. do you remember the news TV and adds in that movie….

    God bless err I mean God help us all..

  21. I watch fox news occasionally for entertainment. You have to watch it with a certain mindset. If you want news, forget it. If you are looking for a good laugh, watch it, its hilarious. Better than any comedy show.

  22. FOX is more than a joke; they’re dangerous. My family regulary watches it, and they parrot FOX talking points like “global warming is NOT man made – so says 100 scientists around the world” (many of these “scientists” are on the payroll of the big oil companies, of course, conveniently left out of the FOX stories).

    There is a reason why many news outlets are perceived as being “left-leaning” – the job of the fourth estate is challenge the powers-that-be and the status quo. Conservative ideology is all about “stay the course”, social order, no dramatic changes, and anti-progressiveness. Conservatives have set themselves up to be the target of those whose job it is to challenge conventional wisdom. A liberal media is exactly the plan. Duh.

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